[10:05] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): I am going to use voice
[10:05] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): and print
[10:06] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): If you did not get the handouts yesterday let me know
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[10:08] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): anyone else need it
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[10:09] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): yesterday i spoke more on the scribe codes
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[10:09] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Today I will deal with magistrate codesj
[10:09] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Recognition of this writing is attributed to Sarin Aeon This is edited to shorten it. have permission granted to use . Abraham Jacobson 2025
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[10:10] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): This used to be much longer
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[10:10] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): I edited it to make sense in terms of gor
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[10:11] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): There has been a real need for this one
[10:11] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): it has been ignored over the years
[10:12] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Yes , currpt and bad magistrates are here
[10:12] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): AN INDEPENDENT, FAIR AND IMPARTIAL JUDICIARY IS INDISPENSABLE TO OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. The legal system is based upon the principle that an independent, impartial, and competent judiciary, composed of men and women of integrity, will interpret and apply the law that governs our society. Thus, the judiciary plays a central role in preserving the principles of justice and the rule of law. Inherent in all the Rules contained in this Code are the precepts that Magistrates, individually and collectively, must respect and honor the Magistrates office as a public trust and strive to maintain and enhance confidence in the legal system.
[10:12] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): i told you yesterday is the color of imparticality
[10:12] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): And purple justice
[10:13] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Which is why by the books magistrates looked like this
[10:13] Bea Lael (lifepath) smiled and happily receives the scrolls and cherishes them. Immediately starts to read them.
[10:14] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): MAGISTRATES SHOULD MAINTAIN THE DIGNITY OF MAGISTRATES OFFICE SHOULD AT ALL TIMES , AVOID BOTH THE IMPROPRIETY AND APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIVES. ((some choose due to being considered above the rest of the caste by themselves, to put women down, and even fellow scribes forcing some to leave cites or even Gor due to meanness . How their treat others, matters both in OCC and IC. There are real people behind these avi's )) They should aspire at all times to conduct that ensures the greatest possible public confidence in their independence, impartiality, integrity, and competence.
[10:14] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): MAGISTRATES SHOULD MAINTAIN THE DIGNITY OF MAGISTRATES OFFICE SHOULD AT ALL TIMES , AVOID BOTH THE IMPROPRIETY AND APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIVES. ((some choose due to being considered above the rest of the caste by themselves, to put women down, and even fellow scribes forcing some to leave cites or even Gor due to meanness . How their treat others, matters both in OCC and IC. There are real people behind these avi's )) They should aspire at all times to conduct that ensures the greatest possible public confidence in their independence, impartiality, integrity, and competence.
[10:14] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): i was in a trial where the magsitrate was drinking and he took a bribe
[10:15] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Does the inspire confidence in our caste
[10:15] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 1.2: Promoting Confidence in the Judiciary
A Magistrate shall act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence,* integrity,* and impartiality* of the judiciary, and shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety.
[10:16] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 1.3: Avoiding Abuse of the Prestige of Magistrates Office
A Magistrate shall not abuse the prestige of Magistrates office to advance the personal or economic interests* of the Magistrate . ((Taking the job knowing you will be Afk most days or not in your city but want the nice home and the title is not ethical and is against Gor Law.))
[10:16] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): good god how many magistrates take the job get the big house and hides in it firing his girl
[10:16] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): furing
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[10:17] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.1: Giving Precedence to the Duties of Magistrates Office
The duties of Magistrates office, as prescribed by law,* shall take precedence over all of a Magistrate’s personal and extra-Magistrates activities. ((Being in the tavern most days or in bed with your slave and ignoring you duties is what this covers. And violates the Gorian Law dealing with not working))
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[10:17] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): yes , there is gor law about not working
[10:17] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): and it calls for removal from the city
[10:18] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.2: External Influences on Magistrates Conduct
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[10:18] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(A) A Magistrate shall not be swayed by public clamor or fear of criticism.
[10:18] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Kati did not bring it up but this one is important
[10:19] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): the crowd gathers and yells what they want done, so easy to play to them
[10:19] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(B) A Magistrate shall not permit family, social, political, financial, or other interests or relationships to influence the Magistrate’s conduct or judgment.
[10:20] Bea Lael (lifepath) smiled as her Guard arrived. She whispered, "Tal Ragnar," then dismisses her thrall
[10:20] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): This again happens all too often
[10:20] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(C) A Magistrate shall not convey or permit others to convey the impression that any person or organization is in a position to influence the Magistrate.
[10:20] ℜaɢиaℜ Lσтнвℜσк (delly) smiles "Tal my lady"
[10:20] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): the exception is the ubar
[10:20] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(B) A Magistrate shall cooperate with other Magistrates and court officials in the administration of court business. ((this is a special group of scribes and they are called brethren for a reason. Act like it!))
[10:21] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): I have watched male magsitrates call the women stupid
[10:21] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): ignorant cunt ect
[10:21] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): in puplic
[10:22] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): If you are an HOC , you can demote a magistrate to floor sweepter
[10:22] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): or out of the caste, If you remember Ar the salor, he was boothed from the caste over a decade ago
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[10:23] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): that is how he became a merchant who made maps for cities
[10:23] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.4: Responsibility to Decide
A Magistrate shall hear and decide matters assigned to the Magistrate, except when disqualification is required
[10:24] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.6 Disqualification
-(A) A Magistrate shall disqualify himself or herself in any proceeding in which the Magistrate’s impartiality* might reasonably be questioned, including but not limited to the following circumstances:
[10:24] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): (1) The Magistrate has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party or a party’s advocate, or personal knowledge* of facts that are in dispute in the proceeding.
[10:24] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): (2) The Magistrate knows* that the Magistrate, the Magistrate’s FC* is:
[10:24] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): (a) a party to the proceeding, or an officer, director, ;
[10:25] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): (b) acting as an advocate in the proceeding
[10:25] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): (c) likely to be a material witness in the proceeding.
[10:25] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.7: Supervisory Duties
[10:25] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(B) A Magistrate with supervisory authority for the performance of other Magistrates shall take reasonable measures to ensure that those Magistrates properly discharge their Magistrates responsibilities, including the prompt disposition of matters before them.
[10:26] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 2.8: Responding to Magistrates and Advocate Misconduct
-(A) A Magistrate having knowledge* that another Magistrate has committed a violation of this Code that raises a substantial question regarding the Magistrate’s honesty, trustworthiness, or fitness as a Magistrate in other respects shall inform the appropriate authority.*
[10:26] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(C) A Magistrate who receives information indicating a substantial likelihood that another Magistrate has committed a violation of this Code shall take appropriate action.
[10:26] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(D) A Magistrate who receives information indicating a substantial likelihood that an advocate has committed a violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct shall take appropriate action.
[10:27] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Canon 3
A Magistrate shall conduct the Magistrate’s personal and extra-Magistrates activities to minimize the risk of conflict with the obligations of Magistrates office.
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[10:27] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Rule 3.1: Extra-Magistrates Activities in General
A Magistrate may engage in extra-Magistrates activities, except as prohibited by law* or this Code. However, when engaging in extra-Magistrates activities, a Magistrate shall not:
-(A) participate in activities that will interfere with the proper performance of the Magistrate’s duties
[10:27] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): B) participate in activities that will lead to frequent disqualification of the Magistrate;
[10:28] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(C) participate in activities that would appear to a reasonable person to undermine the Magistrate’s independence,* integrity,* or impartiality;*
[10:28] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): -(D) engage in conduct that would appear to a reasonable person to be coercive;
[10:28] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): kar did not get a copy of this document ,anyone else?
[10:28] Drew Barnard: @
[10:29] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): yes drew
[10:29] Davor O'Donnell (davoroflaura): I go tno copy
[10:30] Drew Barnard: I was just indicating that I hadn't received the document, either
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[10:31] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): now as SCoG* we cannot enforce the
[10:31] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): the merchants went city to city year ago and tried,
[10:31] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): cities got mad
[10:32] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): But if you ae working as an Hoc or Ahoc or have their ear you can
[10:32] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): CASTE CODES OF THE SCRIBES
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[10:32] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Original work by the Scribes of Fina (February 2008)
Ashllee McBride, Kaellaed Rhode, Lyric Demina, Rockin Babii, Sahtalus
Sin, Yoda Winx
[10:33] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): A long time ago, these people got together and discussed the codes of our caste
[10:34] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): what they found it attached at the bottom of the document i gave you
[10:34] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Revised by Yoda MacTavish in 2017 and now revised in 2025
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[10:34] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Yoda was part of the Irish Gor scribes
[10:34] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): chuckes
[10:35] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): but a leader in our caste what he did is also at bottom
[10:35] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): The ethical teachings of Gor, which are independent of the claims and propositions of the Initiates, amount to little more than the Caste Codes - collections of sayings whose origins are lost in antiquity.
{Tarnsman of Gor ~ 40}"
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[10:36] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Fogiban gave me more quotes yesterday i am going to attache
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[10:36] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Not being well i am not going over all of it
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[10:37] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): But i will bring up some key areas
[10:37] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): ------------------------------------
Education : the scribes are well trained and value education
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Wagon Peoples, of all those on Gor that I know, are the only ones that have a
clan of torturers, trained as carefully as scribes or physicians, in the arts of
detaining life.
Nomads of Gor Chapter 2
[10:37] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Notice scribes are trained carefully like the Physicians
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[10:37] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): If i hear one more scribe say i learned hanging around my mom....
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[10:38] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): My mom is one of the best teachers in gor
[10:38] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): but i was trained by several key scribes
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[10:39] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): there is a qoute that indicates that the castes go through an apprenitiship first
[10:39] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): and we used too as a caste do that
[10:39] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): This account seemed strange to me, but I supposed she had no reason to lie to me. I had spent several years in the household of my teacher, who would accept no pay, because, for our caste, knowledge is priceless. One day he had said to me, "You may leave now," and I knew then that I was of the Scribes.Mariners of Gor-Page 569
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[10:39] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): With the decline in the libraries of Gor, it needs to recognized that Scribes protected the scrolls, even if the could not understand the words in the hope others would. We are the protectors of the written scrolls. Which is why scribes are being taught how to build libraries
[10:40] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): “for he was a scribe and it is the way of scribes to love the written word and keep it from harm, “(Priest Kings of Gor)
[10:40] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): "Tend to put more faith in the written word (presumably since it would usually be written by another scribe and therefore one following their same honour you." "And I," said the Older Tarl. "Well", said Torm, thoughtfully, for it did not behove!" he cried, "I do, I do!" I set him down. "But are you sure?" he asked. I reached for him a again, and he leaped backwards. "I was just curious," he said. "After all", he muttered, "it is not written down in a text." This time the Older Tarl lifted him up by the scruff of his robes and held him dangling, kicking, a foot from the ground. "I believe him!" cried Torm. "I believe him!" Once safely down, he had the pieties of his caste to observe." (Priest Kings of Gor)
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[10:41] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): This is the crux of why i am not a big fan of Warriors as magistrates
[10:41] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): *** My Chamber Slave's accent had been pure High Caste Gorean though I could not place the city. Probably her caste had been that of the Builders or Physicians, for had her people been Scribes I would have expected a greater subtlety of inflections, the use of less common grammatical cases; and had her people been of the Warriors I would have expected a blunter speech, rather belligerently simple, expressed in great reliance on the indicative mood and, habitually, a rather arrogant refusal to venture beyond the most straightforward of sentence structures.
Priest-Kings of Gor Book 3 Page 52
[10:42] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Warriors I would have expected a blunter speech, rather belligerently simple, expressed in great reliance on the indicative mood and, habitually, a rather arrogant refusal to venture beyond the most straightforward of sentence structures
[10:42] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): and sadly many live up to that
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[10:43] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): "She is excellent merchandise," said the man. "She has the intelligence, and education of the scribe, and yet she is obviously an exquisite and well-trained female slave."
Captive of Gor Book 7 Page 195
[10:43] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): The initiate will like that quotes
[10:44] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): OBJECTIVITY
[10:44] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): The officer pointed to a distant cylinder. "The Cylinder of Justice," he said. "The execution will take place as soon as the girl can be presented." The cylinder was white, a color Goreans often associate with impartiality. Tarnsman of Gor Book 1
[10:44] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Behind the wagon, in the white robes, trimmed with gold and purple, of merchant magistrates, came five men. I recognized them as judges.
Hunters of Gor Book 8 Page 49
[10:45] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): If I were a merchant mag, id have gold also with the purple
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[10:45] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Ancient Greece and Rome
In Ancient Greek and Roman societies, there are many early examples of purple being associated with justice and the legal system. Roman magistrates would wear specifically demarcated purple-striped togas to denote their prominence and authority. The purple stripes visually communicated that they had been granted powers by the Roman Emperor to adjudicate cases and dispense justice. https://www.colorwithleo.com/what-is-the-color-associated-with-justice/
Scribes are always described as wearing blue. With one exception, The Magistrates. They wore togas that were white the color of impartiality in Gor white and with purple stripes the color of Justice. The Merchant Magistrates added Gold to show they dealt with merchant law.
[10:46] Jerome (wolf.toman): Tal my Khan, Tal Masters and Mistresses
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[10:47] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): I am going to stop here
[10:47] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Quesitions?
[10:47] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): I will be sleeping most of the day
[10:48] Melampus (godhet): Thank you for the excellent and most inspiring communication, Abraham.
[10:48] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): the goal is to lift the caste up
[10:48] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): Expect more
[10:48] Kati Evans: Thank you
[10:50] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): take care all
[10:50] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): We have one of the best dj's
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